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B660
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Post Very Surprising!
on: January 30, 2018, 07:05
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The following video is a chap achieving a GOLD RoSPA pass on the roads of Norfolk. Lucky lad as the examiner was either napping or chose to turn a blind eye. The ride should have been failed as at 36.31 the rider accelerates up to an indicated 41mph before leaving the 30mph speed restriction.

Curious, a DSA fail but an Advanced Riding pass. I wonder if there's just a wee bit too much 'mateyness' within Advanced Riding setups?

Framey
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on: January 30, 2018, 11:25
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I can assure you that speeding is not allowed on ROSPA tests. What the camera does not show, is where the examiner is, and what vehicles may have been between the examiner and the candidate.
Neil Frame IAM examiner 2323 , ROSPA examiner 989

B660
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on: January 30, 2018, 14:15
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But what the camera does show is evidence there was a very high probability the examiner was close behind the candidate.

At 34.49 – 34.51 it is surely beyond argument the examiner’s shadow is evident suggesting a close follow. None of the parked vehicles on the left within the time frame 34.49 – 34.56 are preparing to move off. There is no vehicle movement at the Esso garage at 34.59. In fact, the next two nearside junctions in Queen’s Road are clear and show no vehicle movement or the imminent movement from the time the camera allows the views. Neither can vehicle movement be seen nearside or offside from the residential accesses and driveways. All in all there is nothing to suggest the examiner could have been separated from 34.49 when we see the shadow.

With all the above and an 11 second stationary wait by the candidate at the lights behind the dark coloured Vauxhall hatchback, it is surely beyond argument the examiner was not separated from the candidate at the time the turn was made to access the slip road to the A11.

Your loyalty to a fellow examiner is decent and noble. However, it may be advisable for RoSPA and IAM Roadsmart candidates not film and share with the whole world especially when there is a bad error on what is being hailed a top grade ride. It doesn’t look good and would have generated denigrating comments from the YouTube fraternity in time from eagle eyed viewers. Although, I notice, subsequent to this thread starting this morning, the chap has disabled comments for the video. Maybe the offending clip should be edited out?

nevilleb
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on: February 3, 2018, 09:14
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"But what the camera does show is evidence there was a very high probability the examiner was close behind the candidate"
Looking at where the rider exceeded 30mph limit, even if examiner was close behind how do you think they would be able to make an accurate assessment over such a short distance (probably less than 100 metres) before national speed limit?

B660
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Post Re: Very Surprising!
on: February 6, 2018, 07:17
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Looking at where the rider exceeded 30mph limit, even if examiner was close behind how do you think they would be able to make an accurate assessment over such a short distance (probably less than 100 metres) before national speed limit?

Anyone riding behind the chap at those moments, would have realised the reasonably rapid acceleration would have meant an obvious, unquestionable and significantly bad speeding offence when considering the situation (RoSPA Test). It was quite clear the rider had forgotten the speed limit after making the turn and that the speed limit was broken.

As for accuracy? I've seen certain observers and national observers in this club follow those being observed at 4m or less whatever the speed! A fairly accurate log of speed can be made with that dubious practice. An as accurate note of speed can't necessarily be made whilst following at a safe distance. My opinion is an accurate assessment or conclusion beyond doubt that the speed limit was significantly broken as to effect the outcome of this test, could have been made in that instance.

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